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13 December 2009 @ 03:59 am
PATF Review 2: The Spoily Part  
This is part 2! Go to part 1 first! Yes, it came out that messy. Setting spoilers apart while not drowning my flist and all. xD;

GUYSSSSSSS. TIANA AND NAVEEN ARE SO CUTE! SO. CUTE. I just loved the dynamic between them. It reminded me of this weird mix between Spova and WEVE and did I mention it was TOTALLY CUTE? TOTALLY CUTE AND AWKWARD. Seriously, just everything with those two dragged me along in the best way. I think I'll need to watch this a few more times before I catch everything, cause fandom keeps saying things that happened in the film with the villian and stuff that I barely noticed cause I was so busy drowining in cute. I mean, I was sitting with my knees up in the chair and my hands laced together next to my cheek with my head tilted against them. Seriously, just like in cartoons when a character is watching an adorable movie. I'm not exaggerating. DFGDFJNGFJGNFJHNFHGJN! But it wasn't JUST cute, but also had sorta a realistic feel. Not like, totally realistic. It's Disney. But there was actually chemistry between the characters beyond the wishes and curses. It was nice to see two characters in the same mess and forced to bond instead of cursing one and making the other be all "IMA GUNNA RESCUE YOU!"

RAY. POOR RAY. MY THEATER CRIED. But that was seriously such an epic subversion of Disney Death. I thought "oh he's gonna glow and come back blah blah blah" and then THE STAR THING. ;_; I was shaking my fist and cursing Disney under my breath for once again tearing my heartstrings out. Wasn't Kerchak enough for you people?!

And Louis. xD I laughed so hard at his story about his attempts playing on a steamboat. When I was squeeing like a pathetic shipper or crying I was laughing. "I FOOOOUUUUNNNND THE STIIIIIICK! 8D"

And man, the baddie. I was shivering the whole movie... until he stepped on Ray. It was like I was overcoming fears with the characters. I got so mad that from then on I just wanted to punch him in the face. Also, I've heard a LOT of Christians complaining about how demonic this guy is... and I'll never get them. HE'S THE BAD GUY. When you put light into the darkest room possible, the light becomes brighter and more notable. Having a bad guy who was basically a demon actually invested me MORE as a Christian personally, because I felt like he was symbolic of temptation in our lives as a whole. That made Tiana and Naveen's situation easy to relate with despite how outlandish it was. Darkness in films isn't an issue: It's darkness being glorified. Seriously. Some days I wonder if there's a group of Christians reading a translation of the Bible where Satan pets kittens or something and they're the ones griping about this stuff.

The fact that the star can be equated so easily to prayer was also helpful in making this connection. In fact, I think this was a great message of doing your best each day that Christians don't get talked to enough about: It's so easy for us to pray and then forget that we still need to come halfway. God didn't tell Gideon to go sit on a couch while he dealt with the Mennonites. He gave Gideon a task that was in his power if he did his best.

The songs were wayyyy too catchy. I dunno when they'll get out of my head, but I could probably start the process by not listening to the soundtrack OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Not my fault Disney is streaming it this week. I think my favs are When We're Human and Ma Belle Evangeline. The later, I just loved the scene with. Just... DAWWWW. And yes, I liked the pop song. Sue me. (The credits were adorable also!)

I think Naveen is my favorite character by the end, even though at first I couldn't stand him. I guess I have a thing for the "Ladykiller in Love" trope. He just has some really awesome and adorable character development. I will admit, however, I find him totally ugly in that prince outfit. I like his street outfit more. xDDD;;;; ...Heck, I think my favorite designs of Tiana and Naveen were as frogs. They were so well thought out and animated. Princely!Naveen looked like a lot of other princes to me.

Also, I really loved the theme of the movie. We have all our distractions and temptations in life but what's most important is lo.... wait....


Saki Kotetsu: princessfrog - tiana/naveen heartsakikotetsu on December 13th, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
SO I CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW MUCH I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT TIANA AND NAVEEN. all the keysmashing in the world couldn't fully express my adoration~ LOL and man I wish I could've had some camera on me so I could watch my reactions throughout the movie. I think the first really cute part between them, I had my hands on either side of my face like :O, and they didn't move for the rest of the movie. JUST, GUH. I love them so hard. so so so hard D;

AND RAY, YES. I was sitting there for so long like, "N'AWWW THAT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN." I thought for sure he was gonna be fine, or Mama Odie was gonna come along and make him all better. But nuuuu ): But I do have to say the star thing just made up for it. It was his happily ever after ♥

LOL oh the soundtrack. I'm in the same boat, I can't stop listening to it. I know my dad has to be like 8| by now, because it's ridiculous. Everytime I try and listen to something else, I'm just like NOPE, and go right back to the soundtrack XD Dig a Little Deeper is my personal favorite, mostly because of the goings-on during the movie. Gah, the part where she's singing to Naveen, "maybe love will grant you peace of mind"? and he's watching Tiana dance, and gah, that's like right where he knows that he loves her, and- dflgjkf I'm just reduced to another pile of goo all over again! plus that song is just big, and loud, and gorgeous, I couldn't help but love it before I even saw the movie. Oh but Ma Belle Evangline is so close second. I loved Ray so much, so him singing that beautiful song just makes my heart melt. AND, add Tiana and Naveen dancing to it, and *-*

and Naveen was my favorite by the end as well. of course he was a big annoying jerfais at the beginning, but I loved how he wasn't MEAN jerkfais. how he was so excited about being in New Orleans, and the music haha. He wasn't even totally upset about being turned into a frog! He was just kinda like YEAH THIS SUCKS BUT, ALSO KIND OF COOL ;D and I really did love that about him right off. BUT, of course, what I loved the very most about him was his transformation. Just, too adorable for words, I loved how fumbling he was around Tiana once he realized how he felt about her. And watching him go from charming ladies man, to all nervous with Tiana, was just too cute. TOO CUUUUUTE. lgkjfddfjk have I mentioned that I love them D;

oh, and I totally agree with you on liking them more as frogs. I mean, their human designs are lovely, but I just had so much more fun watching them together as frogs ♥

OKAY SO, LONG COMMENT IS RIDICULOUSLY LONG. I'm sorry D: I definitely should've saved most of what I wrote in here for my own review LOL, but ah well. just spreading the PatF loooove~ c:

Edited at 2009-12-13 06:11 pm (UTC)
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Naveen/Tiananetbug009 on December 14th, 2009 06:24 am (UTC)

I feel lame though cause I has short reply! cause I basically agree with everything you just said. xD
tabbi_katt: hypernesstabbi_katt on December 13th, 2009 07:50 pm (UTC)
Totally agreed on how adorable Tiana and Naveen are. At my theatre, when he was telling "Evangaline" that he wanted to help Tiana with her dream, everyone-- girls and guys alike-- melted into puddles of Awwwwwww!

I couldn't find Facilier creepy because I spent most of the scenes with him thinking "This guy would be hell of fun to animate." And Friends On the Other Side. Just... Friends on the Other Side.

And Ray! I was sitting there, saying "No, he's not dead. This is Disney." *scene continues* "He's not dead, guys." *scene keeps going* "...He's not dead..." *funeral* "WTF, movie?!"

So, yeah, it was an all around awesome movie. I'll have to do my own review soon, too.
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Naveen/Tiananetbug009 on December 14th, 2009 06:19 am (UTC)
And then Ray shows up and we get a crowning moment of funny, of course. xD

Naveen: Nonononononono I'm in love with Tiana! o_o;;;;
Ray: ....Oh. I KNEW IT. >D

I KNOW RIGHT? I kept thinking he'd come back, and the mysterious glow DID NOT HELP.
alone i fight these animals: [avatar] this is a kids show right?schellibie on December 13th, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)
All I can say is:

aaaah, music to row by. :)

(Tiana and Naveen were my favorites. NEED ICONS)
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Naveen/Tiananetbug009 on December 14th, 2009 06:17 am (UTC)

lulz. xD
midoriri: facilier magicmidoriri on December 13th, 2009 11:58 pm (UTC)
RAY. POOR RAY. MY THEATER CRIED. But that was seriously such an epic subversion of Disney Death. I thought "oh he's gonna glow and come back blah blah blah" and then THE STAR THING. ;_; I was shaking my fist and cursing Disney under my breath for once again tearing my heartstrings out. Wasn't Kerchak enough for you people?!

Oh my God, YES. I for one was shocked that Disney actually did that, I mean...Okay, sure, it's somewhat based in reality, and I do think it was pretty gutsy and...actually kind of good, that he didn't pull a Disney Death. But just...damn, Disney, you killed HIM off?! You...you actually...I heard the crunch when Fecilier's foot came down and did a Big No in my mind, I swear.
;_; I'll never kill a bug again....

Also, I've heard a LOT of Christians complaining about how demonic this guy is... and I'll never get them.
If I may say this, I've heard about Christian groups having problems with EVERY Disney movie, so I'm not too surprised here. (One had issues with Hercules because of the "multiple gods," one had issues with Hunchback because "It's more Catholic than Christian." WTF?!") But yes, he's the bad guy. To tell the truth, I'm surprised they aren't LOVING it because it shows "God is good and the demons are bad and will come to bite you in the ass if you mess with them."
That's not to badmouth you, as a Christian, or Christians in general, it's just....yeah. Certain groups of them.

I thought the same thing about the star...well, not at first, but then when Tiana and Naveen were talking to her (Yes. I will call the evening star "her," not "it.") I thought "It's just like praying..." It was kinda like Pinnochio that way, or Lilo and Stitch. (You know...Lilo actually PRAYS in that movie, and it's pretty obvious, too.)

And yeah, Naveen looked a lot better in his street clothes...Though Tiana's dress was pretty. I liked them as frogs, AND people...They avoided the whole problem with Beast/Adam; making him look better as a monster than human. I wasn't groaning at that part and shouting "Bring the frog back!" I was cheering because WOOOO! They're human, they broke the spell, everything's right again, yaaaaay!

And I cannot believe you, netbug. You mention Ray and his death, but you DON'T mention the sweet little tribute to him at the end of the movie?! The Firefly Five?! Shaaaaaame. ;)

I seriously need a Ray icon, as my own little tribute. And I am definitely seeing this one again! ^____^
(PS. You think Facilier's death was one of the scariest ever? I know I was freaking out!)
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Naveen/Tiananetbug009 on December 14th, 2009 06:16 am (UTC)
Yeah, that was surprising, and worse that all you heard was CRUNCH and didn't see what he looked like for a while.

Oh, I know what you mean more than you think. No offense taken. It always frustrates me when people act like all Christians are one group because... there are a lot of Christians who really have no clue what they're talking about and tend to make the rest of us look bad. Oh well, that's life I suppose. Jesus came BECAUSE humans aren't perfect. xD

(OH MAN HIS DEATH *shivers*)
midoriri: frogsmidoriri on December 14th, 2009 07:18 am (UTC)
Ooooooh yes. I think that IS what makes it worse...Even when Louis finds him you don't see him. You just see Louis's reaction. ...There's a trope for that, but I can't figure it out.

Oh, thank goodness. Yeah, I know a lot of VERY NICE Christians, but there are some groups of them...and some people who...eurgh. >< (If I may speak religion for a sec here, I usually see these people and think "Isn't Christianity about loving others and forgiveness? Are you forgetting that?")

Oh, and I wanna say something else about Ray. I LOVED how, after Tiana tells him that Evangeline is just a star, she can't love him, he DOESN'T get angry or bitter about it. In any other film, the character would be upset, saying things like "You're right," feel stupid, and then they'd not believe in that anymore by the film's end. Ray is upset yes, but he STILL speaks to Evangeline, he STILL believes in her. He's more upset that Tiana could think that of her, not that Evangeline may not be a real love. And I praise Disney for that, because to be honest, if he DIDN'T believe...well, I'd just feel majorly gut-punched.
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Raynetbug009 on December 20th, 2009 11:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, if they made him face turn then killed him off, I'd be like "WAIT WHAT? D<"
Marymarikunin on December 14th, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)
...anyway, I loved the movie otherwise though, lol.
Another Ravaged Storytellernetbug009 on December 14th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
I'm shocked I didn't get nightmares from it yet. xD
rgb_mic_mic: GaaHina Kiss Photoshop Iconrgb_mic_mic on December 14th, 2009 04:34 am (UTC)
I really loved the movie too. About the Ray thing I was feeling the same. It was so sudden and so unexpected just "crunch" and I was like...no...no way they wouldn't....they wouldn't!!! He didn't just...

And I gasped like in shock and I was thinking that Mama Odie was going to bring him back to life and everything would be okay but them they were taking him out on the little leaf and I was still like...he'll come back to life get better but he didn't!!

That was a nice twist too. I loved how he got to meet Evangeline.

More than anything I loved Prince Naveen everything about his character was so delightful. I loved how he was so nervous about proposing and he dropped everything and such. LOVED their transformation scene. It could have been better more detailed.

As cool as Beauty and the beast's but Dr. Faciler's casting the spell on Naveen scene made up for it. It was so beautiful. Love his hands running through the green magic.

Tiana and Naveen were cuter than cute. Their love actually felt real to me and when Tiana told him she loved him it wasn't cheesy. It was so heartfelt and honest. But still full of confidence and love. The best "I love you" I have ever heard in a movie.

Mic Mic
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Naveen/Tiananetbug009 on December 14th, 2009 06:06 am (UTC)
I was shocked too. I was like "....D8!!!! RAYYYYYY!!!!!!"
(Anonymous) on December 16th, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
Sorry I'm reading reviews and articles to find stuff similar to my view on this movie.

I completely agree that is my favorite "I love you" ever. The way she says it like an admittance, she's not saying this because she wants to be in love, its because she is, and she knows it. She says it so tenderly, it would melt anyone who ever heard it.

And then there's Naveen's reaction. He looks happy, then he stands up offers his hand to her acting like he is honored by her love, proving he is a gentlman at heart. He doesn't throw himself at her in joy, and they seal their admission of love, not with a kiss, but in a tender hug with smiles on both their faces. Each showing the their joy at each others existence in their life.

I fell in love with the movie forever, right then and there.
Shadow Wolf75shadowwolf75 on December 19th, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)
Chalk up another one who was freaking surprised they actually killed Ray off! I admit it, I was crying . . . though when they all started looking up in amazement I knew there'd be another star up there with 'Evangeline'.

And Dr. Faciler was epic freaking win, I love Keith David . . . and then he had to sing too. *melts* But, he wasn't so epic that I wasn't cheering when the Voodoo gods ate him! Karmic Death, have you some you firefly killing jerk!

And yes, Tiana and Naveen were adorable, especially when the smooth ladykiller ended up tripping all over himself when trying to propose to a girl he actually loved.

Oh, crap, almost forgot about Mama Odie, she was just as amusing and epic as I thought she'd be. Fear the voodoo grandma!
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Naveen/Tiananetbug009 on December 28th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
Oh man I ADORE the ladykiller in love trope. It's just so cute watching them scramble when they actually meet somebody they care about. xD
mutantthingmutantthing on December 23rd, 2009 02:46 am (UTC)
Gah...I think you perfectly articulated all of my thoughts on teh movie. I walked in thinking it would be okay...and left with my mind blown.

I'm not a very emotional person; I only cried during a movie TWICE (maybe it corrlates to how unopen I am to other people? I'm no psychologist), but I was near tears when Ray died. The only thing stopping me was the fact that my mom and little sisters were there, and I didn't want to break down in front of them. But if I were alone, I would have definately started sobbing.

Gah, I though Ray would turn out to be an annoying comic relief, but it turns out Everybody Loves Raymond (cough). When I saw a bug sit on the dandelion, I had a feeling that he would be significant to the plot. Turns out it would be the bug from the trailer with a subplot that would be a fairy tale on its own.

The thing that I love about Princess and the Frog is that it has that Disney magic, even with a more genre-savvy style. I was transported back into my childhood with a more "mature"(?) fairytale...*sniff*
Another Ravaged Storyteller: Raynetbug009 on December 28th, 2009 06:55 am (UTC)
"Everybody Loves Raymond "

I am SO glad I'm not the only one who thought of this. xD